Darren Giudici from Scotland seeks advice on Women Empowering Women
June 13, 2001
Firstly, I must compliment your extensive work on the web-site. This
is just a short message in hope of some advice.
This WEW craze is booming in the city of Glasgow, Scotland at the
My problem lies in the fact that my closest relatives (mother, father & sister),
have been influenced to take part in it. I know it is their
decision at the end of the day, and have not been coerced into doing
so, (but the subtle promotion & persuasion of the WEW benefits,
I feel is a very powerful sales tool).
I viewed it with the caution it deserves and thankfully sourced
your site. Now, having been somewhat enlightened into the theory,
principles, danger, legality & basic concept of the operation,
I feel obliged to do my best to stop my family’s venture into
I have presented some information from the site to my parents, but
they seem too caught up in the short-term gain aspect to consider
anything else. My main concern is that, they are taking quite
an active part in the introduction of new recruits.
I still haven’t been able to ascertain whether this operation
is legal or not in the UK??
I have read of cases in the States of people being charged, fined & had
to pay legal fees, & don’t wish to see my parents losing
friends or a home through this.
After having read Julia’s letter regarding the Isle of Wight
case & the local media intervention, my immediate thought was
to contact the local newspapers to investigate and highlight the
operation to the public.
Any advice you could offer for my concerns would be greatly appreciated.
Thanking you in anticipation,
Thanks for the kind words.
One lady from the U.K. ran into the same problem of trying to convince
the believers and found the same brick wall. All you can and
should do if give the info on paper and stand back. The more
you try to help the more you alienate them and put their backs up.
I suppose getting people out of cults is similar but don't abduct
your own parents! Perhaps ask them what would happen if they
asked for their money back.
As for the law, I can't honestly say because the police in the U.K.
haven't got back to me with a definite answer. This is not
uncommon and even in North America asking the police to render a
legal opinion on a strange "gifting group" will draw blank
That's why I am trying to get the true word out where and when I
Best of luck. It won't turn out well though, I'm afraid.
After an expose of Heart: Women Empowering Women ran in the Evening
Times of Glasgow, Scotland hundreds of calls poured into the paper.
Even after it sparked financial panic on the Isle of Wight, it has
been spiraling across the west of Scotland and despite all the warnings
that the scheme will run out of new members and collapse, thousands
of pounds were still changing hands at meetings the night of the
article in Springburn and Royston, Airdrie, Coatbridge, and the Renfrewshire
village of Kilbarchan.
Women there were asked to pay in £500 each in return for a windfall
of around £4000 - if they can find another seven recruits.
One woman in Roystonhill was reportedly ejected from the venture
after making £80,000 and becoming too greedy but the craze appeared
to be widespread with reports it had gripped staff in major city
centre department stores. A Women's Aid official said: "It
should be renamed Women Exploiting Women."
As reporters tried to find the people responsible for bringing the
multi-million pound scam to Scotland, they discovered a veil of secrecy
has been drawn over it but the Trading Standards Officers vowed to
look further into the scam.
The Plane has Crashed into the Mountain!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your prompt reply Les. The bubble has been burst
as we speak. The Evening Times is the most prominent and powerful
newspaper in Glasgow, and I'm glad they've exposed this immoral trend.
I appreciate your sound advice and honest opinion, and currently
await to see the repercussions my family suffer with the pyramids
inevitable collapse. All I can do now is hope they learn a
valuable lesson from this, (& perhaps, listen when I speak!).
On a lighter note, I will definitely be purchasing a copy of your
book on payday towards the end of the month, as I find the subject & extent
of these scams, in society, fascinating. I'm also submitting
your web-site to the Evening Times, to let the public be aware of
what to look out for in the future, and if you sell a couple more
books.... more power to your elbow!!!
Good luck in making your moral $millions$, & if you never get
there, take solace in the fact - YOU WILL GET TO HEAVEN!!!
Cheers for now,
Mark Mitchell sends his comments along from Scotland Oct 18/01.
1st class site! Will be buying the book!
The Women-Empowering-Women (or people-empowering-people, they've
had to rename it because they ran out of women!) has been raging
for a while now in Aberdeen, Scotland.
I have yet to meet anyone who has made any money out of this; unfortunately
I am still waiting for the apologies from all the people who got
p****d off with me when I tried to explain the scam.
I thought the best one was a female at work with £3500 in this thing. After
I had tried to explain her folly she had the following conversation
with a colleague.
"It's people like Mark who cause these things to crash."
"But Susan all the newspapers have been full of stories about how it's got
"All that stuff in the papers was lies."
"How do you work that out?"
"They told us at one of the meetings."
At this point the rest of the office burst out laughing!
Best regards, Mark.
This scheme has literally exploded over the last few weeks in our
little village (Burry Port) in South Wales. I was asked to
join initially over three weeks ago but didn't attend a meeting until
Saturday gone. I was amazed by what I saw!
I had previously viewed this website and printed off all I could
find relevant to this scheme. (although they are called "Gift
I went to the meeting with my sceptic nelly head on and then found
that when I tried to inform others there I was accused of being a
kill-joy and of having no faith in my fellow women. (friends & family
Our local town newspaper (The Llanelli Star) has reported information
concerning the running of the scheme but this only appears to have
fuelled the fire.
At the meeting I witnessed almost 180 women arriving clutching envelopes
of amounts ranging from the minimum £250 and upwards to the maximum £3000!!!
I am concerned to say that I have put the minimum into the scheme.
(common sense kind of goes out of the window when you watch the "receiver" spread £2400
over her carpet to count it!!!)
Do you know how long the longest one of these has been sustained
for? And also is there any way of helping to prolong the turnover?
Please help! I know people who are borrowing large sums to go into
this and I want to help give people more information to enable them
to see the pitfalls!!!
Pat ( June 25, 2001 )
Please find attached a couple of national
news stories we have generated from our investigations into Women
Empowering Women. The BBC are on the Isle of Wight filming an item
for a consumer show at the weekend while another documentary unit
is also sniffing around.
The whole scheme appears to be falling flat
now and its dawned on people they aren't going to get their money
back. Of course they are all blaming our 'negative coverage' as
opposed to their own stupidity and greed. No doubt you've
seen it all before though!
Cheers for now and thanks again for your help
and interest. Keep me posted.
Article One Article
The Gift of GaB (U.K.)
12 Apr 2001
Thanks for getting back to me - the info you sent looks great and
most of the things that you mentioned actually happened at the meeting
- I thought I'd write a little about what actually took place as
it might be of some help to you and to anyone who wonders what happens
at these things. I have been left that angry and frustrated
by the whole thing that I also need to get it off my chest.
It was an informal meeting with five people who'd already joined
the scheme and four potential mugs (3 plus me). Alcohol was
offered and then the five people - all friends or acquaintances started
going on about how wonderful the scheme was. (The room was
laid out very much in a confrontational way - the five people who'd
joined the scheme sat opposite the four of us).
There was a good friend there who hadn't mentioned the scheme to
me - probably because she knew I'd be cynical - but if it was such
a great scheme why didn't she want to share her good fortune with
all of her friends? My main focus for going to the meeting
in the first place had been to stop her parting with any money -
too late - she had already parted with her cash.
One lady claimed that she had already received her money but that
it had all gone to pay off debts so she couldn't prove it. As
these five people were all participants, as opposed to organizers,
they had little answer to any questions and said that all questions
would be answered when a friend who had been through the cycle 4
times arrived. They just kept repeating the same mantra - women
empowering women, trust, freedom, sharing, etc.
A rumpled envelope was produced which was supposedly what one pile
of £3000 had arrived in. No cash/bank statements were produced at
any time during the evening although we were told that the mystery
lady due to arrive was bringing her latest pile of cash with her. I
didn't see any cash at all in the evening - not that seeing cash
would have proved anything but the sight of a pile of crisp bank
notes can do strange things to people!
One thing I will say is that you knew that at the back of their
minds the people who had joined the scheme knew what was happening
but were refusing to accept it. It was possible to sense the
desperation in them - if they didn't get other people to part with
money they weren't going to get theirs back. There was also
a self-denial going on that if they were lucky enough to get any
money back it was only because someone further down the pyramid would
be ripped off - they're mostly nice people and didn't want to think
about stuff like that.
So the lady arrived - I'll call her Jane - looking like someone
who was trying to look rich (the middle classes in England
are very snobbish and we can spot outsiders a mile away!) Jane
then said she'd only been through the cycle once - stories were starting
to fall apart very quickly. A little later it transpired that
only one of the group of women knew Jane and had only known her for
6 weeks - not exactly the great friend she had been portrayed as!
She also attempted to portray herself as a business woman and then
contradicted herself by telling us what a poor return she got on
some money that she had invested with a bank. (And she wants
us to trust her with money!) She told us that we were all women
together and we all had some problems in our life that we would love
to solve by having more cash.
There was an awful lot of talk about women helping women, empowerment,
friendship - all the stuff you've mentioned in your article. And
trust was mentioned over and over again. They all kept saying
how hard it had been to hand over the cash but what a wonderful feeling
they got each time they moved up to the "next level".
One of the people I'd gone with asked Jane if the scheme was so
great would she lend her the money - Jane offered to lend her £1,500
if she would stump up the other £1,500. So we said okay - but
only if the £1,500 loan doesn't need to be paid back if she doesn't
get her money back - you can guess how that one went down. "That
would be against the whole point of the scheme which is about women
empowering women, trust, women helping other women, freedom, friendship
There was a lot of photocopied garbage about the scheme but not
enough copies for anyone not in the scheme to take one away with
We were told three points:
1. If we joined the scheme we would have to support other people
in the scheme. How? By bringing in other people.
2. To receive we must also give - some of the promised cash should
be used to support other women.
3. This was an oral tradition of women empowering women - cash only!
We were also told that it was best not to draw attention to the
scheme by depositing the money in a bank. I was also advised
against discussing it with my solicitor or accountant as they would
try to discourage me from joining. I did point out that my
accountant would love me to have more money to play with as he would
gain from it so why would he not encourage me? They're answer
- because he's a man!
So "suckered in" by the thought of easy riches I said "okay
- I'll take 24 hearts" and earn myself £1 million plus! I
was asked that if I did this would I be able to bring enough people
into the scheme. Sure - if I thought it was a good enough opportunity! Boy
- did I get slapped down for that. I was told that was not
in the spirit of the gifting club and that I was being greedy! It
wasn't to do with making money (?!) it was to do with women empowering
women and sisterhood, trust, well being, freedom, etc. etc. etc.
(Are you getting the picture yet?)
There was also a form that would need to be signed saying that the £3000
was a gift and therefore not liable to tax. There was a photocopy
of a letter - again I was not allowed to take a copy - from Deloitte & Touche
saying that in their opinion the gift was not liable to tax - at
least that's what it said until I got to the last paragraph - when
it said that the tax liability was open to legal interpretation and
if it was taxable the receiver would be liable to pay tax at the
rate of their taxable band.
I did point out what bullshit Jane was talking (politely of course)
and that the gift was given in expectation of consideration so was
legally not a gift. Jane insisted it was a gift and therefore
The desperation was very upsetting to see - I can see that at a
larger meeting it would be very difficult for anyone to stand up
and point stuff out. Those who have already "gifted" (I
was slapped down for using the word "paid") know that they
are not going to get their money unless others join and sit there
in some little dream world imaging how they're going to spend the
money. We were also given examples of how one woman (friend
of a friend of a friend) had bought a £400 designer dress - a lot
of money but we're not exactly talking about mega rich here and how
someone else had spent £1000 in one go at an expensive dress shop. I
resisted the urge to point out that if she hadn't joined the scheme
she could have spent £3000!
One of my friends asked how long it would take to get the return
on the "gift". The answer was between 2 weeks or
10 years depending on how fast the scheme moved. (I have to
say I was impressed by the genius of the 10 years! - what better
way to stop people asking questions too quickly!)
I also asked who the other people were in the pyramid and how I
would know they were real people - the answer was that once I joined
the scheme I would be given their names and telephone number so I
would know they existed! Discussions were held on a Sunday
on a conference line - which was legal because it was a British Telecom
line! (So non-British Telecom conference lines are illegal?
- that was news to me!). We were also told that it would be
difficult to get through to these lines as they can only accommodate
20 callers at once.
Jane also said that an accountant had worked out that if everyone
in the Isle of Wight (just in case anyone had read the papers) joined
the scheme it would take 6 years for everyone in that area to join
- and imagine how much bigger the whole of England is? A quick
sum and I had it figured to 18 weeks for the entire population of
the UK (including children!) and only 22 weeks for the rest of the
world (8 people joining each branch every 2 weeks). Jane did
try and blur the figures by saying that everyone only needed to bring
in 2 people for the scheme to work and for someone to move up to
the next level (I always wondered why they used levels in pyramid
schemes) not pointing out that one person receives 8 payments - therefore
for each person to get the promised return 8 people need to join.
I was fortunate in that Jane had not rehearsed the script enough
and that it was possible to pick holes all over the place - but I
felt like an absolute shit for doing this because my friends, the
people sat opposite had already parted with their cash. It
was people like me that caused people to lose money in pyramid schemes! I
think against a more practiced con artist I would have had difficulty
making my points. (One of my friends pointed out after that
if I had taken the information I'd pulled off the Internet in with
me I'd probably have been lynched!)
Unfortunately it was too late for the people who had already joined. To
see the thoughts forming in their heads that they might be participating
in an illegal pyramid scheme and ripping off other people was upsetting. (However,
the human mind is a wonderful thing and such thoughts were rapidly
squashed and they retreated into cloud cuckoo land once again.)
And when my questions became too difficult I got the ultimate put-down "You're
thinking like a man"! (I wonder if the male version of
these schemes uses the put-down "You're thinking like a woman"?)
I was also told that I would understand it more once I had gone
to a few more meetings. As if I didn't already understand it!
I found the most difficult thing was keeping my temper - I had gone
to the meeting to try and stop people being suckered in. I
hope that the research I'd done on the Internet will stop the people
that came to the meeting with me being suckered in. The worst
thing about the whole thing is that it divides friends - rather than
empowering them. If my friends who have parted with money don't
get their promised return it will be my fault for stopping people
joining the scheme, or if they realize they have been suckered, they
will be too embarrassed to talk to me. Some support group,
huh? And anyone who didn't join the scheme because of me will
be left wondering for a while - at least until the whole sorry pyramid
So what did I get out of the evening? I hope I've managed
to persuade the people who came with me not to part with their cash
- although ultimately it is up to them. I left them with a
pile of stuff I got off the Internet (including some of your stuff)
- thereby giving them what I consider to be the most empowering thing
in the world - information.
The thing that I found hardest to believe was that these normally
sensible people had been taken in. If they were investing £3000
in an investment account or company wouldn't they do a bit of research
first? Even if recommended by a friend? But here they
were willing to hand over cash to a complete stranger? There
were a lot of similarities between the language of the group and
the language of religious cults.
To be completely honest I wish I hadn't gone to the meeting. I
am sure that Jane will report back and answers will be prepared to
questions that I raised. It was also distressing and frustrating
and will lead to strained friendships. So all in all a rum
deal for everyone concerned (except those taking the money!)
But anyway, thank you for your website - it helps to have stuff
to present to people. Some of the other scams and rip-offs
you list make for interesting reading. I guess with all the negative
stuff in the US the con-artists are turning to the UK for fresh suckers! Anyway
- thanks for the help and keep up the good work.
I feel so much better now I've got that off my chest.
You did a wonderful job of writing about your experience. The best
writing comes from the heart and is fast-paced story-telling. You
likely have some idea of the frustration I feel in trying to promote
my book and site to people who don't ever believe they are that gullible
as to be taken in.
A reporter over there is getting death threats for putting down gifting
A scam technique that follows a similar vein is the Affinity
Death threats huh? I thought it was all about women helping
One other thing I would add is that if people are visiting
your site in order to attend a meeting armed with information
I would strongly discourage them.
We all want to help our friends but I think the best thing
to do is point the people towards the information (hopefully
before they part with any money) and let them make their own
decision if they want to get ripped off or not. If they attend
the meeting there is a real chance they will end up falling
out with friends, frustrated, angry and with a thumping migraine
Without prior knowledge of who is attending the meeting, how
many people etc. there is a real chance that ugly scenes could
occur and it's just not worth it. So my advice "Empower
your friends with information and let them make up their own
Fri, 20 Jul 2001
As you predicted, the hearts scheme is now suffering difficulties
and as expected the people involved are blaming media involvement
for scaring off prospective 'Gifters'. I am relieved
to say that I was fortunate to have only put in £62.50
as part of a group of 4 that gifted the minimum £250, we
are still waiting for a return but I myself am not optimistic
- que sera!
A new chain letter set up has now started called
LUCKY 6 and what continues to amaze me is peoples'
wish to throw their money away! This one requests
that you send 20 to the person at the top of the
list and promises that by passing the letter on
to a further 3 people who then pass it on again,
and so on, when you reach the top of the list you
are promised over £14000. Now I know it is only £20,
but you would think that people would have learned
their lesson. Go figure, huh!
Londoner Limits Losses
This site is great - keep up the good work. I've
been doing some research as the WEW pyramid scheme
is up and running in South East London and some of
my friends are 'gifting' money. Like the lady who
posted to you about her experiences at a meeting,
I find it hard to get through to people to tell them
that instead of women empowering women it should
be called friends ripping off friends.
Before I knew what I was dealing with, I
told my friends I might be willing to invest
- I'd have to look into it though. When I
told them what I'd discovered re: Baroness
Alford, Isle of Wight, etc and other info
from Trading Standards and your site, they
were frosty to say the least.
It was bad-mouthing the scheme that ruined
it, they said, and when I mentioned that
the 8 people they each had to find in order
for them to receive their £24,000 were highly
unlikely to ever receive a penny, they dismissed
I don't know if they're in on it early enough
to see a return - if they come to me and
say "See, you should have listened to
us", I'll at least be happy that they
haven't lost out. But my conscience will
not allow me to rip-off 8 people who, like
my friends, are probably very nice, decent
people who work hard for their money.
I think the hook is that you know someone who's
collected £24000 at least once and they wouldn't
let you join something that was going to lose
you money, would they?
I hope more info keeps coming through
as I have heard the scheme is moving
across SE London and out towards Kent. Don't
people realise that the scheme moves
further afield as new recruits begin
to dry up in the present area? Also,
if someone was investing £3000 of course
they would thoroughly research the
investment before risking their money.
But this, they just hand it over -
no receipt or anything!!!! Incredible.
Update: A viewer indicates that WEW
is rampant in Northamptonshire as of
Nick Knocks Nastiness
I have looked at your site a few
times and I find it very informative.
There are some unbelievably nasty con
artists in this world and therefore
it is only logical that there are nasty
I have looked at women empowering
women and honestly don't think it falls
into the category of a nasty scam but
consider it no more risky than gambling
on commodities or futures.
I think the main problem is that people
have either been blinded by greed or
must not have had how it works explained
properly or someone deliberately omitted
to explain it.
I have seen so much rubbish said in
the media about this it is unbelievable.
What anyone should be told right from
the beginning is that you must be prepared
to lose the money, whether it be £50
You get nothing for nothing. If
everyone in the group sits on their
backside just waiting for their payout
they're going to get a short, sharp
shock; they have just lost their money!
I cannot believe how many people have
paid their money and sat waiting! These
are the people that have run to the
media complaining about the scheme. Calling
it a scam and screaming that they have
been ripped off.
What I don't know is whether they
were actually told that they would
have to recruit one person to join.
One, not eight, I have read that everyone
joining has to bring eight people in. This
is not correct.
I have also read that no one knows
who's in the group. Correctly
run, everyone has a copy of who's in
the group with their names and phone
numbers; groups actually meet as well.
But then there's always the con artist
out there somewhere. I heard
of a women in Hereford who started
a hundred pound group but this was
conditional on people joining a £300
group then it was conditional on them
joining the £3000 group. The
con was no one had any copies of the
group list. No names or phone
numbers. She coldly and calculatingly
ripped people off, creaming the money
for her and her relatives.
Another article I read in a magazine
was from a young girl who paid her
money in, only to be told ten days
later that it had stopped and she had
lost her money. She obviously
fell into the category of sitting on
her backside and waiting. She
did however go into another group for
a hundred pounds this time to try and
get some money back!
How can the same girl call it a con
then do it again!!!.
The banks don't like it and go on
TV and say it's a con because hundreds
of thousands was being taken out of
their banks, and generally not going
back in. The government doesn't like
it because as it stands they cannot
tax the money, so are losing out on
23-40% tax as unearned income.
A lot of, for want of a better word,
posh people don't like it because suddenly
you have the lesser mortals having
thousands of pounds to spend, and they
tend to spend it.
You have statisticians coming up with
all sorts of astronomic figures, what
they don't show or allow for is that
most people who go in, go back in,
so generally it is not eight people
required but seven or six.
I believe that, operated correctly,
the scheme can be perpetual. There
are millions of people in the UK who
have the means.
Most importantly, go in with your
eyes wide open. Sit back and
do nothing and you have lost your money. If
everyone going in brings just one person
it will continue. It is purely and
simply distributing wealth and this
can be ongoing.
I feel sympathy for the people who
were mislead into going into the scheme. I
do not feel any sympathy for the greedy
bunch who sat on there backsides and
waited for the money, and it never
I feel even more sympathy for the
people that have lost their money due
to the bad publicity, which to my mind
was only created by the sitters.
I would like to stress that I do not
agree or condone any scams, and people
who deliberately set out to do this
should be locked up!!
For seven years I was a financial
advisor, two with one of the leading
high street banks. You should
see what these so called respectable
institutions condone and cover up.
And believe you me you should also
see just how devious and conniving
customers can be. This WEW is
a walk in the park compared to them!
It will be interesting to see whether
you are open to see both sides of an
Nick Jaroszweski 11 Sep 2001
You make a fine argument for the proliferation
of this type of thing. You are
certainly right that they could potentially
go on forever. The very fact
that they keep springing up year after
year in various forms seems to suggest
You may only need to bring in one
person but the fact remains that you
require the contributions of eight
people to collect anything yourself. This
eight to one, or as you suggest seven,
or six to one ratio holds true from
the initial group to any number of
participants. Even without bringing
world populations to the example chart
you are distributing the wealth of
many (8,7,6) into the hands of one
with the promise that it can be self-perpetuating.
With gambling you assume the possibility,
( with me the certainty ) that you
are going to lose your money, or win
at the expense of the house. Odds
can be calculated and acted upon, though
rarely this logical approach comes
With stocks, commodities and futures
the ratio is simply one to one. For
every buyer there must be a seller. Every
winner a loser. The profit taking
can continue only as long as there
are new buyers willing to pay ever
greater amounts to the sellers.
At least in those markets, in some
cases, the asset is backed by some
tangible worth. With pyramid
schemes the only backing is greed and
hysteria packaged as enthusiasm, opportunity
and in this case, benevolence.
Any such scheme can and does work
as long as it is pushed forward by
promoters to an unsuspecting and trusting
audience. The crafty fully understand
just who their market is though and
milk it for all it's worth.
Regardless of who is to blame for
the eventual demise of such a scheme,
the top 5% ( initiators ) always win
at the expense of those on the lower
In the long history of man, no pyramid
scheme has continued to its global
fruition, awaiting the introduction
of a new visitor to our world. And
what a welcome he would get as the
only person yet to join Humans Empowering
Even at that imagined stage only one
in eight or seven of our planet's inhabitants
would have been winners in the process
you describe where everyone has successfully
worked their hardest to ensure signing
up a new recruit.
To ignore the plight of certain losses
in future participants even though
you yourself may benefit suggests a
craftiness bordering on nastiness which
I know you do not wish to possess.
I do value opposing views and realize
that my perceptions may not be shared
by all. Thanks for taking the
time to write.
Date: 21 Sep 2001
Thanks for your reply. I do
think however that the interjection
of aliens by you has brought the sensibility
of the argument to a lower level.
I stated in my original e-mail that
I did not believe it was a scam. I
also stated that I believed that if
everyone going into the scheme did
so with their eyes wide open with the
knowledge that they could lose their
money then no fraud scam or swindle
could be inferred, stated or proved. Also
that it could be perpetual.
I have listed below, verbatim the
definitions in the New Webster's Dictionary
of the English language, encyclopedic
Scam: a deceptive means or
instance of obtaining money, a swindle.
Swindle: to cheat and defraud
grossly or with deliberate artifice,
to practice deception in order to acquire
illegally the assets of another, a
fraudulent scheme to dupe people out
of money or property.
So if people are fully informed and
aware that they could lose their money,
the actual scheme cannot, by definition,
be classified a scam or swindle. This
however does not stop inscrutable people
abusing and manipulating the scheme
to their own ends.
You have possibly come to the conclusion
by my support of the scheme that I
must be one of the 5% that have made
lots of money from the scheme. If
you have you are wrong!
As it stands today my wife is likely
to lose £3000.00.
Believe me I don't like losing £3000.00
but she/we went in with our eyes fully
open and aware that we could lose the
money. She went in about a week
before all the bad publicity sprang
We have not gone running to the press
or the media shouting "Con, Scam" and
we have not been robbed! WE WENT
IN WITH OUR EYES WIDE OPEN KNOWING
We have not fallen out with the person
that introduced her either. We
also did not believe it was a scam
or con but nothing more than wealth
distribution, and that it could just
stop if no others joined.
Non-Stop to Loserville
There has been some lively discussion on UK Breakfast Television
Forum - GMTV Pyramid Investments after a recent programme re Women Empowering
Women of which there are still many advocators.
It now seems though that a new craze
'TheTrain', another pyramid scheme
which turns £100 into £34050, has hit
the scene. In this case they
attempt to create credibility by donating
money to charity.
Sue Scarrott 11/20/01
Without a Word Of A Law
The question of the legality of gifting
schemes in the UK is confusing because
until the DTI get enough complaints
they will not say whether they are
legal or not. Too many people
who have lost money prefer to complain
to editors rather than the DTI. It
will probably take a high court judgment
to set a precedent before they make
up their minds.
I run a UK business opportunity magazine
and have often refused ads for gifting
plans on the grounds that I believe
them to be illegal and unethical for
the following reasons according to
must be a product or service deemed to be worth the asking
is illegal to promise high rewards for future introductions
other than exempt single level schemes must include the correct
legal terms conditions and 2 copies of contracts with information
None of those 3 legal requirements are offered with any of the
gifting plans that I've seen which, in my book, makes them illegal.
The operators try to claim that the inheritance act of 1984 makes
them legal, but the act is for straightforward gifts to avoid inheritance
tax, not for introducing others and making money tax-free. I'm
sure that any judge would agree has absolutely nothing to do with
cash circulation schemes. The tax free claims would also break
our laws for no earnings are tax-free.
Section 120 of the 1996 Trading Schemes Act which came into force
in 1997 states that where:
makes any payment to, or for the benefit of, the promoter
(or if there is more than one) any of the promoters,
to, or for the benefit of, a participant in the trading scheme
is induced to make that payment by reason that the prospect
is held out to him of receiving payments, or other benefits,
in respect of the introduction of other persons who become
participants in the trading scheme,
person to whom, or for whose benefit, that payment is made
shall be guilty of an offence.
This act was brought into force to outlaw money games, cash circulation
schemes and chain letters and also I believe makes gifting plans
an offence under the UK laws.
It has been used successfully against certain money games but
so far gifting plans have eluded the law, probably because the
DTI are undermanned and people don't like to admit to losing money,
so rarely complain.
The situation could soon change for I read in a National newspaper
today that six people in Glasgow have been suspended from their
managerial jobs because they conned their workforce out of hundreds
of thousands of pounds by cheating the Hearts system.
If this goes to court it could force a ruling on the plans legality,
that is if a prosecution lawyer delved to discover the correct
Patricia Jones 02/02
I thought it was important to tell you that the Women's Gifting
Circle is active in Germany. This past week (end of April
2002) friends invited me to a gifting party. The structure is identical
to the Dinner Party, and the arguments they used are identical
to those mentioned on your site.